From: jenish sr <srjenish@yahoo.co.in>
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 2:25:01 PM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] Real democracy
Dear ICS Menon,
May be due to my inability in thinking, I couldn't understand your idea properly.
You said "am trying to reach the common man to spread the idea of decentralising power and money management in our administrative system by voting out all politicians and electing one independant candidate"
How can we vote out all politicians? By the way who is this "we". Are you thinking to make another party? Individually, we could not be able to do anything.. So we need a group and that group need a name and a leader.. Then it becomes another party. And are we going to elect the leader of that party? Fine. So we should do this in each of the constituency. In any large group of people we cannot avoid election. There will not be any independent candidates.
I was reading a similar post recently regarding "Nokkukooli". One person was elaborating about his/her sad story when he visited kerala. They were cheated by a taxi driver and now he is telling Kerala is "Hell's Own Country" and when we will improve. If we take this issue in the right sense, this person doesn't know the place and they allowed the driver to take advantage. This will take place anywhere in the world, not only is kerala. In the crime rates India is far behind most of the developed countries and Kerala is the most peaceful place in India as of 2010. Don't think every thing is bad in our Country. There are lots of positive sides. In last 63 years, the country had developed. Our System should be improved rather than allowing it to fall in the hands of dictators' or military rulers.
People complain politicians for everything. Let me take a small example. If there is a discussion in the media about "Road Accidents", everybody complain about politicians. They are not doing the job. They are not making good roads. So and so….. Did any one of us care about what we have to do in this issue? A rule was implemented that everybody should wear seat belts in vehicles and what was the response from the people? The same people go to another country and obey the rules and they can't obey the rules of our country. If there is smell in the road, we will blame politicians. If there is fight between communities, we will blame politicians. If there is flood we will blame them. They are the people for us to blame and we don't have any duties.. Is it right? I'm not saying politicians are all good. Before blaming someone we should be a good citizen. If everybody is trying to become good citizens, then the problem is solved. Politicians are not imported from moon or other planets. They are from among us.
Have a nice day!!
Jenish
From: ICS MENON <ics.menon@gmail.com>
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 23 August, 2010 5:15:01 PM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] Real democracy
Dear Guys,
This is really a healthy conversation. More people should participate in this, read this and try to change ourselves.
My view, Indian Democracy is the biggest, strongest and the best in the world. People are deciding whom to rule the country. If you say, our system is faulty, then the culprit is we. We are the one who elect wrong persons and now we don't have any right to cry on this issue. Now we are blaming the whole system without blaming the wrong persons who are running the system. The system will be the best if we put our votes to the right candidates. How come 100s of MPs in the Parliament have murder cases in their accounts? We elected the wrong persons. If each of us decides that we will vote only to the good candidates irrespective of his party or religion, the situation will improve. We should not dream of changing India in just one day.
Also there should be a button in the voting machine for "none of these candidates". It is our right to elect someone and then we have the right to reject whom we don't want.
By the way, we cannot eradicate corruption to 0% by using any system. But we can reduce it. If each of us decide that we will not give money in any government offices for getting our jobs done quickly, there will be improvements. In present system, we are ready to give. We can't wait in the queue. One guy, whether he is The President or Prime Minister, cannot change this. But we, as a group of people, The People Of India can change it.
Let us be proud of the positive sides of our Democracy and try to improve it. I don't have the power, but WE have the power.
Have a nice day!!
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 20 August, 2010 5:46:46 PM
great mr. nazeer, am trying to reach the common man to spread the idea of decentralising power and money management in our administrative system by voting out all politicians and electing one independant candiate. it will be just a begining to teach alesson to the politicians who now think that general public is an ASS.i ill shortly distribute some leaflets to know the public response. what ever may be the people discuss, they are all looking for some benefit from the politicians a small percentage and larger share is enjoyed by the big fish.let us take small steps to proceed slowly.with best wishesics menonOn Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Prem Niz <prem149@yahoo.com> wrote:
Before we enter into a worship place, we keep our footwear outside the shrine. It means we should not carry dirty things, even if we use them for our daily life, into a sacred place. Similarly, when we enter into our conscience for introspection, we should not carry any dirty politics with us. Now the answer is crystal clear: Our constitution guarantees our fundamental rights. We scream and fight for them every now and then. At the same time our constitution prescribes our fundamental duties. We will conveniently keep these in the refrigerator. This is the main problem we have. We have to recognize our fundamental duties and invoke them as and when they become necessary. We have to introspect before we criticize someone. If many of the politicians practice a small fraction of what they preach, our India would have been the best in the world. It does not mean that all will live like naked fakirs in the name of austerity. In Singapore if somebody spits or litters anything on the street, the authority will immediately impose a fine irrespective of their status symbols. When we go to abroad, we will be advised to respect the law of the land we visit. But even our chotta netas and babus ignore the same in our own land. Cleansing, like charity, should begin at home. I think every week some one has to write an article to teach discipline to such politicians and irresponsible citizens. We are still yielding to our self-praise just to keep on singing: saare jahaanse achcha Hindustaan HAMAARA. We have to impress others by way of our good and disciplined living. Then that will make others sing on us: saare jahaanse achcha Hindustan TUMHAARA. That will be much better and more acceptable precedence.
Best regards,
Prem Nizar Hameed
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 6:58:21 PM
see u all say system is wrong.. can i ask u how system become worng?
A system is made by people also. A simple eg is how many us is showing proper manners in roads. How many of us are obeying traffic rules. Let me give u an example..at statue junction there are signal lights..how many of us dare to obey them, if some one breaks the law we all think " if he can why cant i". Another one when in beach or park, how many of us care to not make it polluted (lets not clean it but we can avoid making it litter)..how many wear helmets while driving (many say "I do" but please look around and count how many are not wearing) .. these are very basic things which we can do... so we all must take responsibilities instead of saying politicians are bad we must first make ourselves perfect,,,
On 17 August 2010 23:10, John Thomas <joal0791@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Kochukurup,
There is no system without the people and we are all part of it.If it is perfect, the people should also be perfect. Otherwise we are talking about something which is like ghost, non-existent concept. So if the people are wrong, system is also wrong. The system will be perfect in an ideal situation where there are no negatives including corruption of wealth, power, position, sex, cast, religion, etc. All these involves people and the end goal is more power and more money. Unquenchable thirst for these corrupts any system and ours is not at all an exception. What we should teach our kids is that money and power is not everything in life. Then they will start to love, share, compassionate, patriotic, etc., etc.
regards,
John
--- On Mon, 8/16/10, kochukurup <kochukurup123@gmail.com> wrote:
From: kochukurup <kochukurup123@gmail.com>To: "Keralites" <Keralites@YahooGroups.com>Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 11:36 AM
i disagree with Mr Menon. System in india is a perfect one and is a model one. But problem is who drives the system, comittement of people towards the system. We people does not have any consideration for others.. first the mentality of people must be changed instead of simply finding fault in other..we must try to do our part...atleast we must teach coming generations how to be a good citizen...with warm regards
kochukurup
On 16 August 2010 15:15, ICS MENON <ics.menon@gmail.com> wrote:
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] Real democracy
To: "Sainu.Palam" <sainupalam369@yahoo.co.in>
yes, there is no system which is 100% perfect. but now in india, democracy is an industry and political parties are units of that industry and they invest money get power and use public money for their own benefit. for this struggle for power and money making by confusing people and catching votes all are running saying left or right or middle. all are same. once they are in power, they start making money.karl marx remarked after completing his book on communism that there is doubt this can be put into practice because all human beings are born selfish and they work for their family and not for the general public.my idea (me. i.c.s. menon alias ittamveetil chandrasekhara menon) is to crack the centralised, organised corruption and also to finish the power hunger of the politicians. if the people realise their power and remove the power hunger politicians from the clutches of public exchequer, some of my idea is in action. later on when we find the executives and judiciary who are also comprised of humans, are also going through the path of politicians, we have to check them also. when power is decentralised, so many things can happen.i hope you got some idea about my idea of cleaning democratic process in our state and then spread it slowly.please feel free to ask me more doubts so that i become perfect in my planswith best wishes and regards,ics menonOn Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Sainu.Palam <sainupalam369@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Is there any system has 100'/. correct?let us can understand who's Ideas are trying to spread.Sainu Palam
From: Joseph Varghese <joevar_44@yahoo.com>Sent: Fri, 13 August, 2010 12:48:49 PM
To: Keralites <Keralites@YahooGroups.com>
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] Real democracy
I agree to your views that someone get elected who doesn't have the people's support. Any election should be made cancelled if 60% polling was not done and no body should be allowed get elected if he doesn't get above 50% of votes casted. Governor's /President's rule should be applied in that particular constituancy.Regds,
Joseph Varghese
09881090740
From: ICS MENON <ics.menon@gmail.com>Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 3:16:05 PM
To: Keralites <Keralites@YahooGroups.com>
Subject: [www.keralites.net] Real democracy
In the present system of democratic process if a candidate gets 15-20% votes of the total population of that constituency, he will be in majority where as the majority does not like him to be their representative because of political and other rivalries. In other words the elected candidate is not the real representative of all the voters.To overcome this problem, it is suggested that we remove all politicians from power and elect an independent candidate. This will facilitate a direct approach of the people to the officials (Executives) to get things done i.e. political interference is not there at all.
There will not be any leader among the elected representatives and all are equal. Their duty is to see the peoples problems attended by the concerned officials i.e. executives and the judiciary.
This is required because politicians hide lot of things from the public and when some corruption is coming to the light, they conduct an enquiry, again spending the public money.
This is one type of decentralization of power and people can watch the officials doing their duties without political influence.
After successfully implementing this in the local body level, this can be put into practice so that we can save lot of money which is being spent for enjoyment of politicians as ministers etc…..
So think over this now and put it into practice without delay.
Let the present Devil's Own Country be the God's Own Country of the future.
Hope everyone at Keralites Group will try to spread this idea of total democracy in Kerala.
with warm regards
kochukurup
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