Dear Mr. Hyder Ali,
Your doubt about Lot and his family is a very valid one and I also still have my doubts on this but as I had stated, there are many incidents in the Bible which cannot be fully explained as to why it is there. But let me tell you briefly, the way a Bible scholar had explained the same to me. Lot is described as Abrahams brothers son, with whom he was living closely, but when there was a trouble between Lots herdsmen and Abrahams herdsmen, Abraham decided to part with him in peace. If you study Lots life, you can see that he chose to live in Sodom and Gomorrah, the most sinful city in the ancient times could be compared to the modern Las Vegas where there are all pleasures of this world. Lot was not pushed into that city, but he chose to live there by himself. But God in His mercy to Abraham, did not want to destroy Lot and his family. When the Angels came to Lot and asked him to leave that town with his wife and his two daughters, the Bible clearly says that he lingered around which means he did not like to depart from that sin-city. When Lot told his son-in-laws, what the angels told him, they joked at him again you can see that he had a very loose family. To cut short the events, when they fled the town, even though the Angels warned them not to turn back, Lots wife turned back, since her heart was for that town she turned to a salt pillar. With all this background, it is not much surprising what happened to Lot and his daughters as you had hi-lited.
Now compare Lots life and Abrahams life. Abraham, with all his heart, loved the LORD and always obeyed God in his every steps of life. I do not need to elaborate the faith of Abraham to you, since this is also recorded in your holy books as well.
But the story and the comparison between these two men, gives us one of the greatest lessons of a family life and how to choose our lives, our friends, how to bring up a family, how to instill the word of God in your children. Unfortunately, the modern lifestyle more or less projects and promotesLots life in todays society, rather than Abrahams way of life.
You had stated that none of the manuscripts and scrolls indicate that Jesus Christ never told that He is God which is correct. Christ only told that he is the Son of God if you need proofs, please go through the Bible when you get time to do that.
You are also referring to other books in your letter but for me to believe in a book, it has to be an authentic one can you prove the authenticity of the book as to who is the author and whether there is a visible signature of any kind in these books since I am not very familiar with it, outside of the Bible, I it would be very interesting for me to know that. As I had explained, I can prove through more than one way that Bible is God Breathed book, written by Holy men of the ancient days and I am not forcing you to believe in what I am stating, since God created men with a free will, not forcing any belief on any persons. It is up to the people to choose what is good and what is bad just as the free will given to Lot and to Abraham. As a Christian, I believe that we all need to have the free will to choose our faith and trust in God.
With Warm Regards
Thomas M. Jayabhai
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Hyder Ali Oruvil Koodallur <haom69@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Thomas,Iam also a reader of this series of messages.Your message about the subject is quite interesting. But after reading your message I have got some doubts and I send this message to get clarification about it. I am also not writing this to provoke anyones belief or custom, but only trying to state the fact for anyone who is on the quest for the truth.
You wrote, "I find Bible the most advanced book on earth".But I have read some quotesas it is from bible as below.
"Lot was a just and righteous man. And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) Peter 2:7-8"He was the only man that God saved from the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. Genesis 19:15
"He got drunk and impregnated his virgin daughters.? Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. Genesis 19:32-36So if the above quotes are from Bible, what is the MORAL OF THIS STORY IN THE BIBLE ? PROPHETS OF GOD SLEPT WITH THEIR OWN DAUGHTERS !!!!
Who needs Devil ? when the Bible itself is the most Dangerous Diabolical Book on the face of this EarthWhich should be kept LOCKED in a SAFE( as Rightly Said By Sir George Bernad Shaw ) to Protect the Mind and Psychic of the Young Restless Minds of the Society.You wrote, "To an outsider, the Bible would have many contradictory verses but they all are intended for a purpose which we may not always understand the way it is."
So can you please explain for which purpose the above versesare intended?You wrote, "No other religious books contain these many detailed prophecies which were fulfilled with absolute perfection."
Do youthink the above quoted verses were fufilled with absolute perfection in your religious book?Dear Prasad,
I have readsome quotes from Hindu scriptures also as follows. Can you ask to the community do you need these Gods?From the Kurma Purana: In the Pine Forest, Shiva seduces the wives of the sages, so the sages curse him for this immoral behavior:
what is the MORAL OF THE ABOVE STORIES FROM THE SAIDSCRIPTURES?
"When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, 'Tear out your linga.' The great yogi said to them, 'I will do it, if you hate my linga', and he tore it out and vanished." -- Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41; cf. Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a. 14. [O'Flaherty, Wendy D. Siva: The Erotic Ascetic. Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. p.132].
From the Bhavisya Purana -- In another version, Shiva (and the other two deities of the Trimurti) rape the sage Atri's wife and are punished:
"One day when the sage Atri was performing asceticism with his wife Anasuya, Brahma, Visnu and Siva came to him and offered him a boon. When Atri continued to meditate, the three gods went to Anasuya; Siva had his linga in his hand, Vishnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma, beside himself with desire, said, 'Make love to me or I will die.' When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But the three gods were overcome by delusion, and they raped her by force. Then she became angry, and she cursed Siva to be worshipped as a linga, Brahma to be worshipped as a head, and Visnu to be worshipped as feet, in order to ridicule them all, and she cursed them all to be reborn as her sons. Because of this, Siva was born as Durvasas." -- Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78. [O'Flaherty, Wendy D. The Origins of Evil in Hindu Mythology.? Pub.: University of California Press. ISBN
0-520-04098-8. pp.302-303].
Incidentally, the behavior of Lord Shiva's wife, the goddess Parvati, was not really any better than her husband's behavior. In the Siva and Kalika Puranas, Parvati shamelessly walks out of the bedroom half-naked, revealing her breasts:
"When the gods interrupted Siva and Parvati, two sons were born of drops of Siva's seed. These sons were then posted at the door to prevent further interruptions while Siva made love to Parvati, having promised the gods that he would not spill his seed in her. One day Parvati came out of the bedroom in great dishabille, half naked, her breasts scored with teeth marks. The two sons chanced to see her like that, and they were upset, but Parvati became angry and said, 'Why have you looked at me when I was not in a state to be seen by anyone but my husband? You should have closed your eyes. Since you have done this immoral thing, you will be reborn as mortal men with the faces of monkeys.' Then they were miserable and protested that it was her fault for having come out so suddenly, and they cursed her to become a mortal queen (Taravati) and Siva to be her husband (Candrasekhara) so that they themselves might be born again as their sons, Vetala and Bhairava."
-- Siva Purana 3:21:1-8; Kalika Purana 49:1-92, 50:1-64, 51:1-60, 52:1-155, 53:1-217.? [O'Flaherty, Wendy D.? Siva: The Erotic Ascetic.? Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. pp.308-309].Dear All,
Let us come to the subject "doyou need God? In one word we can say Yes. But which God? We need the real and true God. Who is the real God? Let us see.We know that nothing can come to life on its own and that the marvelous world did not create itself or come into existence by accident. The continuous changes in the world prove that it is made, and everything which is made must have a maker of some sort. The maker and Sustainer of the world, the creator and provider for man, the active force and effective power in nature are all one and the same, and that is known to be God.
There are many things that we have never heard, felt, touched, or seen, but still believe in because we see what they do. Until recently, no one had ever seen bacteria or viruses. Now we have seen them, and we know they exist.
Creation itself tells us there is a creator and from the beginning of time Allah, (the One God in Arabic) alone is to be worshiped. This is clear teaching throughout the Old testament (Torah), the scriptures that Jesus himself read and taught from. God is one not one of three; for example: He is God; there is no other besides Him. (Deuteronomy 4:35). The same is mentioned in the book of Mark in the New Testament, chapter 12, verse 29, when Jesus, peace be upon him, had been asked about the Greatest Commandment he replied, "To know, O Israel, the Lord your God is One Lord; and you have to love Him with all your heart and all your mind and all your strength."
We still have not seen many things. Atoms, subatomic particles, and even time exist without us being able to see them. The universe is expanding without us being able to see it do so. The earth is spinning, but we do not see it spin or feel it spin. Continents are floating about. The Milky Way Galaxy is actually moving by very quickly. Millions of galaxies exist.
We may not be able to see, hear, or feel something, but that does not mean it does not exist. We know these things are happening because we see the results. Electricity reaches your computer from the power company, allowing you to use it. Mountain ranges form from continental plates colliding. The sun seems to move in the sky as the earth spins.
In the end, it comes down to faith. How much credits to you give God for the things you see happening around you?According to the oldest and most authentic copies of manuscripts and scrolls available throughout the centuries, Jesus, peace be upon him, never claimed to be God, or the creator, or the One to pray to, nor did he tell his followers to revere him as God. These notions appear on the lips of others who came along decades and even centuries later. While Jesus was on earth he did not claim to be the creator or ask us to revere him as God. His miraculous birth is a sign of his prophet hood: Verily, the likeness of Jesus before Allah, is the likeness of Adam. He (Allah) created him from dust and said Be! and he was (Quran 3:59). Like all the great and noble prophets of Allah such as Adam, Abraham, Moses, Isaac and David, Jesus came with one message: Worship, love, obey and submit to the one true God, Allah, the creator of everything and do not worship anything besides Allah. And finally, when the time was ripe, God sent His final prophet with His final testament, who completed the Divine guidance as well as the divinely revealed religion of God, namely Islam.
Islam is different. Islam is a word coming from the verb "aslama" and it carries the meaning of "surrender", "submission", between you and Almighty Allah (God) and not to any human or anything within creation. Anyone who practices Islam submits to and worships Allah alone without any partners of any kind.
In fact Islamis the religion of all the prophets from the first to the last. In other words, according to the teachings of Islam, God is one, the universe is one, mankind is one and the religion of mankind also is one.
Throughout history, people have taken to worship things or people alongside Allah, or just worshiping something else like power, status or money. Even the names of religions seem have more to do with the creation and less or nothing to do with the Creator. For example: Buddhism Buddha (the name of a man), Confucianism Confucius (the name of a man), Hinduism Hind (the name of an area), Judaism Judah (the name of a tribe) and Christianity Christ (the name of a great prophet).Islam teaches that God is One. Therefore the set of laws governing the universe is one. The oneness of the Creator, also, means that everything whether living or non-living is God's creation. So they are bound to function in accordance with the nature assigned to them by God.
Hinduism includes a very wide range of beliefs and practices, so there aren't many things that are common to all Hindu groups. However they all have a "family resemblance" to each other. Hinduism has no founder, no creed, and no single source of authority. In Hinduism, forms ofIshwara (i.e., the supreme God) such asBrahma(The creator), Vishnu (The preserver) and Shiva (The destroyer) are viewed as taking incarnations (Avatars), usually as a human) and coming down to the earth to bless humanity and rid the world of sins. Rama and Krishna are two of the most famous avatars of Vishnu and are highly popular among the Hindu masses. Hindus worship the same one God under different forms and even through icons.Shivas (who identify Godwith Shiva) believe their God Shiva has 11 avatars,wives Sati and Parvati and Sons Ganesha and Karthikeya. Lord Shiva is conceived in his unborn, invisible form as the Shiva Lingam. The Lingam represents as the male creative energy of Shiva. This main symbol of Shiva is worshipped in everyShaiva Hindu temple and home.Through it Shiva is worshipped as the supreme consciousness. Embracing the base of the linga is the yoni, the female organ, as the universal energy, as Shakti, Shiva's spouse. The Christan Doctrine of the Trinity, one of the most important in mainstream Christian faith, teaches the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one divine Being , called the Godhead. According to this doctrine, God exists as three persons but is one God, meaning that God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have exactly the same nature or being as God the Father in every way. Whatever attributes and power God the Father has, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have as well. "Thus, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are also eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, infinitely wise, infinitely holy, infinitely loving, omniscient." But Islam follows a monotheistic view. Allah is the singular, transcendent, indivisible, and All-Pervading one true God, and this principle of monotheism is called Tawhid. Allah, the God, is considered ineffable, omniscient, omnipotent and has infinite attributes. Attribution of divinity to a created entity, shirk(polytheism), is considered as a denial of the truth of God and thus a major sin.Allah neither takes incarnations, nor has wives, Sons or daughters. "Say: He is Allah. the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him." (Sura 112:1-4)The concept of incarnation, wife and children, symbols, icons, formsarecondemned in Islam which sees it as violating Tawhid (Monotheism).Christians believe that God has actually visited us in human form that is Jesus.The Quran specifically condemns the Christians, who believe that God came down to humanity as Jesus Christ.
Everything in this universe except God is the creation of God. God is different from all of his creations, because God is the maker and keeper of them all. The maker of anything must be different from and greater than the things which he makes. Muslims worship such a God, called Allah in Arabic language.In the world there must be a Great force in action to keep everything in order.
In the beautiful nature there must be a great artist who creates the most charming pieces of art and produces everything for a special purpose in life.
This force is the strongest of all forces,And this Artist is the greatest of all artists.
The true believers and deeply enlightened people recognize this Artist and call him God. They call him God because God is the creator and the chief architect of the world,The originator of life and the provider of all things in existence.
God is not a man because no man can create or make another man. God is neither father nor son. God has no son or daughters. God is not an animal, nor God is a plant.God is neither an idol nor God is a statue of any kind because none of these things can make itself or create anything else.
God is not a machine. God is neither the Sun nor is God the Moon or any other Star, because these things are controlled by a great system, and are themselves made by someone else.God is different from all these things, because God is the maker and keeper of them all.
The maker of anything must be different from and greater than the thing which he makes.The maker and Sustainer of the world, the creator and provider for man, the active force and effective power in nature are all one and the same, and that is known to be Allah.
It is God Who has made the night for you, that you may rest therein, and the day to see. Verily God is full of Grace and bounty to men. Yet most men give no thanks. Such is God, your Lord, the creator of all things. There is no god but He; why then do you turn away from him. Thus are turned away those who deny the signs of God. It is God who has made for you the earth as a resting place and the sky as a shelter, and has given you shape and made your shapes beautiful, and has provided for you sustenance of things good and pure; such is God your Lord. So glory to God, the lord of the worlds! He is the living (One); There is no god but He; call upon Him, giving him sincere devotion. Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds (Holy Quran) So, we need such a God and believe in that God and praise and worship that God only.May God Bless all of us to quest the truth.
Your Brother
Hyder Ali From: Thomas Jayabhai <jayabhai@gmail.com>
To: Keralites <Keralites@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 1:05
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] Do you need God?
Dear Mr. Prasad,I was reading these series of messages for the last few days and I presume that your doubts are genuine and I do not blame you for that. Reading John 3: 3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Here Nicodemus was not following the same context Jesus was trying to explain and we need not blame Nicodemus because he was trying to grasp the truth which he did. So I sincerely believe that you are trying to find out the truth of the matter for which you are not alone Many years ago the same types of doubts came within my mind and I tried to find an answer to them I have found many, but so many still remains unanswered. But I am not disappointed, on the contrary I find Bible the most advanced book on earth, which I will explain in the coming topics below. To an outsider, the Bible would have many contradictory verses but they all are intended for a purpose which we may not always understand the way it is. Before I get into the subject, let me make one statement I am not writing this to provoke anyones belief or custom, but only trying to state the fact for anyone who is on the quest for the truth of the Bible I have no other intentions.
First of all, you need to acknowledge that the Bible is a Holy book and it should be treated with reverence. Every word in the Bible is God breathed words, given through the Holy Spirit to the men of God those days, to write it down so that we could study this and pass it on to our children. One third of the Bible are prophecies, most of them fulfilled in the last thousands of years and a few are still left to be fulfilled, which without doubt, will fulfill in the coming few years which will then mark the end of this age. No other religious books contain these many detailed prophecies which were fulfilled with absolute perfection. In the Bible, in the Book of Mark 13: 31, Jesus speaks: Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. The Bible is tomorrows Newspaper today it is so up to date with all the world events already prophesied thousands of years ago.Any thinking person will ask for proofs that Bible is dictated by God to His servants those days. Well, these days, if we get a memo or an e-mail, we first look for the writers name or the sender, which can be clearly seen on the letter, as the person who has sent it or has signed it and any letters without a senders name or a signature is not given any value to it. When we get currency notes, especially a large denomination, we carefully look for the water mark or the few authentic markings on it, just to ensure the currency is a genuine piece of note. Likewise we have many features in the Bible for us to know that this is indeed authored by God because His signature is all over the book. I will explain how to find the signatures.
Another natural thinking is that while the Bible was transiting through the thousands of years and while it was being copied and replicated, naturally a lot of original words may have fallen off and new words have crawled in, by which the whole sentences may have changed with a whole new meaning which is again a very natural thinking. The Bible, which consists of 66 books, written by almost 40 different people of God, of which the oldest book was written some 4-5,000 years ago to the last book written some 2,000 years ago. These books, spread across thousands of miles, were all brought together through a divine intervention and were compiled into one book through Gods appointed people in the olden days and were handled with great reverence and fear. I do not want to go into details on the way the books were copied, which is an extremely lengthy process, much more severe than the modern day quality inspection job.The Dead Sea Scrolls authenticates that at least for the last 2,000 years, there were absolutely no change in any words or sentences when comparing the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Modern printed versions of the Hebrew and Greek Bible, as they were the original texts of the Bible, with a small portion of Aramaic. There are plenty of videos on the internet on the Dead Sea Scrolls and their findings - you can watch a small documentary on the Dead Sea Scrolls by following the below URL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NQW5ZGiLyI&feature=relatedThe Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew while the New Testament was originally written in Greek. Each of the letters in the Bible are kept at the right place and no letter can be replaced by another. This is a compilation of words, even the highly advanced Cray or the K-Computers cannot compile the way it is done in these books. In the Bible, the Book of Matthew 5: 18 says: For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. We may wonder why is it so important that not even a dot or a comma should be changed or removed from the Bible I have a lot of explanation to do, but just to summarize, there are codes embedded in the Bible, there is more to read in the Bible than the verses which are there in print. These are known as the Bible Codes designed in the form of Equi-distant Lettering system or ELS. To cut short my explanation, you may watch the following documentary series one of the hundreds - on the Internet by clicking on the following URL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFQ3IkqyO3Y&feature=relatedAlso, in the series of letters, I came across some doubts raised on the birth of Jesus and also his life on earth as the Son of God. Let me briefly tell you in the light of Science. We, the earthlings are on this earth in a four-dimensional world where we have a three dimensional body, entrapped in a fourth dimension called time. So we move forward with time, at the speed of time. This means, we cannot slowdown from that speed, nor go faster than the speed of time, which God has set for us as long as we are in our body. God lives in a dimension where He lives outside of time. For God, in that state, there is no past, present or future since He is not bound by time and thats the reason He is reachable by us any time as His presence envelopes us all the time. Once our life on this earth is over and we die, our soul breaks loose from this four dimensional world to a much more multi-dimensional environment, the Heaven. Scientists are not sure how many dimensions exactly exits in the universe or even beyond the universe, but theoretically, they argue that there are about thirteen dimensions.
God and His Angels are in a much higher dimensional environment and we are unable to see God. In the Bible we read as follows in Exodus 33: 18-23: Moses said, "Please show me your glory." And he said, "I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name 'The LORD.' And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live." And the LORD said, "Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock, and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen."Humans are unable to see God in His Glory and know His dimensions. It is similar to the imaginary two-dimensional flat man trying to contact us, who are in a higher dimension. So God wanted to send His Love to his creation, which is mankind, by sending His only son Jesus so that we can know God better and also redeem us from our sins. Before we go further, what exactly is sin and what is it to do with mankind In a Biblical point of view, God has given man, a set of commandments, laws and rules to abide with. We are expected by God to live by those rules and regulations, like we are living in a society, obeying the rules of that particular country. We are Gods children and we are expected to live, obeying Gods laws. If we break the commandments, we are sinners. Jesus was born as an infant child to Mary and He grew up to fulfill His duty on this earth within a short period of time.
The process in which Jesus came to this earth as a little baby and the way He died and resurrected and ascended to Heaven is something science cannot explain, since it is way too unfathomable for modern science to give a proper explanation and lets not dwell on this subject which is far greater than our minds can conceive. Even Jesus told almost the same way to his disciples when he was similarly questioned by his disciples. The most important fact what we now need to understand is that Jesus Christ was on this earth to die for our sins so that we will be saved from our sins by His Grace. As Christians, we need to accept that so that we will be redeemed by His death and resurrection. Jesus Christ taught us to love our enemies which personally, I confess, I still cannot rise up to that level, but thats what Christ expects from each one of us. Christ hates sin, but loves the sinners and thats the reason for Him to come to this world and died in our place for our sins, so that our souls will continue to live.My friends, if we follow the Bible and the prophecies about what is going to happen in this world in the coming days and probably years, we need to be prepared for His return so that if we do not die before His coming, to be ready and to be raptured to join Him and His Angels in Heaven. I would like to wrap this up with the following verses from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 which reads as follows: But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
If anyone would be interested to know more about the rapture, you may click on the following URL:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5866DUnDrck&feature=BFa&list=PL4C3E7D72EAB9AB76&lf=results_video
If you feel like discussing any points related on the above topic with a mind of learning, I will try to assist you with your doubts as far as possible.God Bless you.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Yohannan Jacob <pyjacobkutty@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas M. Jayabhai
Dear Pramod & Prasad,By quoting one or two verses from a Book with 31,103 verses, you cannot prove anything.
I can help you if you have a specific question about any particular verse. But before that I would like to know what your worldview is !Because we should have a common ground to start with.
The Caption of your note was " Why we do need a God?"Yet, in your letter you quoted some verses from the Bible only.
There are many major religions in this world who believe in different gods. And mostly religions are based on faith.Even though, True Christianity is not a religion, but a way of life with the Faith in the Almighty God who has been revealed through the Bible, for argument sake we will consider it as a religion. What is your point? Do you believe in a God at all? Don't you believe in a God who is the creator and sustainer of the whole Universe?
Or do you have a problem only with the God of the Bible?Or do you believe in the theory of Evolution, put forward by Charles Darvin, which is being proved wrong daily by the new scientific inventions?.
Clarify your worldview and ask specific questions.I will not be angry or use bad language, if you can make senses.
Thanks for your patience.With Regards,
Y. JacobP.S. Dear Promod, for your information, the believers of Islam does not have an issue with Christians about who the Son of God is, between Jesus and Mohamed.
(Quran teaches that Both Jesus and Mohamed are prophets of God. They do not believe that there is a son for Allah.)
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:32 PM, pramodh shivram <pramodh.shiv@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All...Prasad has just quoted verses from the holy bible...maybe the old testament.
But whatever said and done, word of God is the word of God and the holy book is still the holy book no matter old or new testament.
We all would appreciate if you could just clarify the verses he had mentioned and enlighten those who are not very familiar with bible, than lashing at him for writing such verses.
And also please do understand that...
The concept of religion and God was brought by our own people. There were people walking the face of this earth even before religions or for that matter primitive beings.
Agreed that good lord Jesus did die for the humans. But what has it really acheived.Has the so called people changed themselves as per his teachings...rather they are at their peak of ruins. Being a christian and a firm follower of Christ, can you boldly state that you have followed the teachings of bible? nor can any christian state this???
And finally, There has always been a clash between Islam and christianity as
to Muhammed or Jesus is the son of God...?
There have been may books written by Islam scholars on this.Has there been any thought given to these by fellow christians.
Or have many christians have read these claims and tried to understand the truth?
Who told you that you are a christian or brought you up as a christian...If you believe in your parents who inturn believes in the priest who gives sermons and these priests who believes in their higher levels...What truth does it hold really??The same goes for all the religions...
I think you should be open to all religions, accept everyone as your fellowbeing, read all scriptures , question your own faith and belief and finally take a call on what is true and what is not. By doin this, you will understand your faith and belief, you will not get angry or upset when someone says bad about your religion rather you would be in a better position to explain to him of his follies.This is just an opinion and not meant to hurt anyones personal feelings.
thanks and regards
pramodh
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Christo Nenmaani <christojn@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. John & Mr. Binil,
Good Day to you....
Myself Christo...hope u have read my reply to for Mr. Prasad...there I mentioned that I didn't read Prasad's entire message coz his intention was clear from 1st two lines & I didn't have time to read his useless & baseless things.....so I left it....& from what I read I understood bit about him & his level of thinking so I replied him in very simple language that too with the example that was from the Holy Book in which he believe in....but he again responded to that....& I felt that if I again reply to it, it will be like I doubt my faith & I m trying to prove that my faith is true.....as said in BIBLE, it's ur faith that makes u great not others....so I want u both to be strong enough in ur faith & live accordingly rather than commenting & wasting time behind someone like Prasad......& our religion teach us to show the right path to those who lost it or who is unaware of it & I m sure that those who comes to know about it, will love it, respect it, accept it & few may even convert themselves to it too....But when I tried to explain him & I got his reply I really felt bad. It because what I said or he asked but I tried to use some sayings from the HOLY BOOK in which He believe in....I felt that using those words to explain someone like him is insulting that HOLY BOOK....so I stopped replying to him....& both of u please remember 1 thing, I didn't read what Mr. Binil wrote it would be something to open to eyes of Mr. Prasad...U CAN WAKE ONLY THE ONE WHO IS SLEEPING BUT NOT THE ONE WHO IS PRETENDING TO BE SLEEPING (URANGUNAVANNE UNARTHAAN KAZHIYUM, URAKAM NADIKYUNAVANNE UNARTHAAN KAZHIYILLA).....hope both of u understood....
& 1 suggestion to Mr. John for u mentioned Mr. Prasad as pra SAD is SADDIST.....I m sorry on behalf of Mr. Prasad for whatever he told but if you also use such words indirectly to point him WHAT DIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN U & HIM....our religion teaches us to love & respect all religion & all individual....I wish & pray that atleast Mr. Prasad can learn to love & respect others, their faith, their belief, etc.....
& if u both want to show or bring Mr. Prasad to right path it's not by commenting on what he said, but through our prayers.... We all can pray for him so that the LORD show him the right path...this is the only thing we can do for him...& this is the only way he will change..
Also, let me thank Mr. Prasad for he is a reason My LORD gifted me someone very important, I got one true friend/sister from this Keralities Group just because I commented on what he said....MR. PRASAD IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE, BELIEVE.....as simple as that....EVEN THE HAIRS ON YOUR HEAD ARE COUNTED....now don't ask me how much is that & even if u ask, there is no wonder because your understanding level is only that much....Mr. Prasad, everything is planned, not by me, by MY LORD by EVERYBODY's LORD....let ur time come & even you will change, even u will understand.....
May the ALMIGHTY LORD BLESS MR. JOHN & MR. BINIL & BOTH OF THEIR FAMILIES & MR. PRASAD TOO & SHOW HIM THE RIGHT PATH....
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On 26-Nov-2011, at 2:52 AM, John cherian <john_cherian15@yahoo.com> wrote:Do you need God?
Few quotes from Old Testament of Bible which is the story of Israelites who are selected by the Supreme Power to set an example to all Human beings. Old testament speaks about the holy and unholy things happened in relation to Isralites and gentiles around them. But Jesus Christ came to this world for the redemption of all people from their SINS , the people ever lived and going to live in this world till the Kingdom of God is established in this earth. The New Testament reveal about the Love of God to Man. God the Father so loved the people so that He has given His Begotten Son to us, by His Blood ( His Sacrifice) we are set free from Sins, for those who believe in Him. That is Gods Justice or righteousness. Think about this do you sacrifice your son for your enemy? How you call this Loving Father, a terrorist. One thing keep in your mind, we are just a creature, He is the Creator of this whole universe. We will be judged according our deeds and words. You have the choice to Believe or not, you have no choice to insult any bodys belief. Why you cannot understand spirituality, only because you are spiritually deaf, blind and dumb. So do not blame something if you do not understand. You can never see the Sun with a powerful torch, unless and until it shines by itself. Since you have BIBLE with you, read the following from Old testament itself, you will realize why you do not understand word of God.Psalms{92:5} O LORD, how great are thy works! [and] thy thoughts are very deep. {92:6} A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
For people like you, you have no right to take His Word in your mouth.Psalms:{50:16} But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or [that] thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
What God will do such people ? God who revealed Himself in the Bible is a Holy, Lovable and Righteous God. So He will not compromise on SINS, He is righteous God, hence He has to judge and punish and He is Lovable God and So He give all Men the Grace of Salvation who believe in His Son. Ask the Living God (whoever He is) to reveal the TRUTH to you and The TRUTH shall set you free from the Bondages of ignorance and Sin. Last but least, Bible says Our God is Heavenly Father, ONLY children can address in this way. For every one God is God, for Christians God is Heavenly Father. That is the Uniqueness and Right of True Christians through Our Lord Jesus Christ. HIS name be Glorified. He is King of King and God of god. He is the answer to all questions in this world and Eternity. HE IS COMING SOON AS THE JUDGE AND THE KING.Those who have ears, let them listen.
johnmcherian@indiatimes.com---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Prasad N <prasad_n83@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:11 PM
Subject: [www.keralites.net] Re: Do you need God?
To: Keralites <Keralites@yahoogroups.com>
Hi, GOD SAID For this time I will ascend all my plagues on you and your servant and your people, so that you may know that there is no one like me in the earth (Exodus 9- 14) The God said: And all the first born in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of the pharaoh who sits on his throne, even to the first born of the slave girl who is behind the millstones; all the first born of the cattle as well. ( Exodus 11-5 ) God said: you shall not worship them or serve them; for I , the lord your god, am a jealous god, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate me (Exodus 20 5) If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand he shall be punished. If, however, he (slave) survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken, for he is his property (Exodus 21-20,21) You shall not worship their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their deeds; but you shall utterly overthrow them, and break their sacred pillars in pieces. But if you shall serve the lord your god and he will bless your bread and your water; and I will remove sickness from your midst (exodus 23 -24,25) While the meat was still between their teeth, before it was chewed, the anger of the lord was kindled against the people, and the lord struck the people with a very severe plague (Numbers 11-33) And the lord said to Moses, how long will this people spurn me? And how long will they not believe in me despite all the signs which I have performed in their midst ? I will smite them with pestilence and disposes them ( Number 14 11,12) The people who arearound you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end. You shall not yield to him or listen to him and your eyes shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. But you shall surely kill him your hand shall be first against him to put him to death and afterwards the hand of all the people. So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the lord your god who brought you out from the land if Egypt ( Deuteronomy 13 -7-9) THE GOD SAID (in bible), behold, I will rise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your companion, and he shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and under the sun ((2 Samuel 12- 11,12) Thus says the lord, in the place where the dogs licked up the blood of Naboth the dogs shall lick up your blood, even yours (1 kings 21 -19- Bible) Then it happened the angel of the lord went out and struck 1, 85,000 in the camp of Assyrians and when men rose early in the morning, behold all of them are dead ( 2 kings 19 - 35)The god said my anger will be directed to their destruction (Bible: Isaiah 10 -25)
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