RE: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......????

Mr.Saheer

So, you have admitted that by  the grant of long leave to its employees, the Kerala Govt. is incurring additional expenditure in the matter of pension calculated on the basis of last pay drawn.

I think, you have not understood the concept of considering  pension as deferred wages earned during the period of service.  I will explain it further. Perhaps, you may be aware that the new entrants to Central Government Services now have to contribute to their pension fund. Now   every employee has to contribute a certain percentage of his pay to the pension fund, which on accumulation at the time of his retirement will form the base for his pension. Earlier this monthly contribution for pension was considered as being paid by the Government itself. This concept will become more clear if you are aware of the earlier practice of pension contribution being charged from departments when employees were sent on deputation to that department. 

Applying this analogy in the case of the state employees who take  long leave from service their accumulated pension fund  is very low considering the lower scale of pay of the post when they were occupying it.while they were in service But the Govt. is forced to pay a higher pension to them based on the last pay drawn for periods two to three times more than the service they rendered to the Govt. 

Hope you are able to understand now how  long leave by the employees add to the pension burden of the state government.

Thomas Mathew

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To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
From: aasaheer@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:13:15 -0800
Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......????

 

Yes, Mr. Thomas Mathew is now more sensible.   I am not trying to correct you, but can make some comments.   If a person joins the service at a pay of Rs.750 (My pay when I joined Indian Navy in 1985) and retires on pension at Rs.15000, why should his pension benefits be calculated on the basis of 15000? If it is done on the basis of 750, what a huge sum of money which the govt could have earned? That is a great idea, but the country will have to import people from Bangladesh or so to serve our Armed forces. And why should the pension be granted at all, when a soldier has served only for 15 years? Liquor too should be banned in armed forces, because that too is causing some financial burden to the govt. We need not to consider about morale, patriotism etc because thats all the useless terminologies which we old generation people carried in our mind, during our period as soldiers.   And the second comment. As I said above, the pension should be calculated based on his inetial payment and there should be no increase to it in the for of DA, pay commissions etc. If it is increased in that manner, the pension of two individuals who have retired in a gap of decades will get almost same pension. Thats an injustice because I being an old man who have retired a decade back need less pension to survive with Kappa and chammanthi, and the present generation pensionar need more money to afford burger, pizza and all.   --- On Mon, 15/11/10, Thomas Mathew <thomasmathew47@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Thomas Mathew <thomasmathew47@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......???? To: keralites@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 15 November, 2010, 11:09 PM   Dear all It is a misconception that persons who take long leave from Kerala Govt. service are not getting any pension benefits when they are on leave  Pension  is to be treated as deferred wages earned by an employee  during  his service period, paid to him on his retirement when he is no longer in a position to work to earn. That is, the amount of pension  depends on the wages earned and the period a person worked in an organisation. Keeping these principle in view, let us  examine the benefits being accrued to a person taking long leave from Kerala Government service and joining just before retirement to get the pension benefit. Take the case of A who has proceeded on leave for 20 years after 12 years of service in the state government. After 20years he comes back and joins his old post and in an year he retires. The benefits he gets are (1) Pension for the 13 years of service in the state taking into consideration the pay he has drawn in the last one year prior to his retirement. Though he may be in the same post, the pay scale might  have increased four to five times due to pay revisions. He would have not become entitled to this higher pension, if he has left the job after 13 of service and given pension for that service. So the Government servant gets benefit of pension as if he has worked for 13 years in the higher scale of pay prior to his retirement.    (2) Similarly, the person gets  increased amount in gratuity based on the last pay drawn for the 13 years of service.  I am not familiar with the KSRs. So any one is welcome to correct me, if I have gone wrong in my assumptions which are based on general principles of  employment in civil services. If my assumptions are correct, someone who is familiar with the KSRs is  requested to compute the additional burden on the State Government as pensionary benefits to the an employee who proceeds on long leave to take up employment elsewhere. Thomas Mathew To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com  From: engeekay2003@yahoo.co.in Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:29:33 +0530 Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......????   Dear Saheer, your views are very well appreciated. But the fact remains that,  "such people"  when they may not be getting the "pension benefit" during their absence, there is always the guarantee that , they are assured of a job and the  pension on retirement, at the cost of blocking some other poor soul's chance for a government job. dont you agree ? I am not against anything...either this way or that way..but when I saw your comments, could not resist the temptation of putting across my feelings. gud day to all.   engeekay2003.   --- On Sat, 13/11/10, Saheer <aasaheer@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Saheer <aasaheer@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......???? To: "Keralites" <Keralites@YahooGroups.com> Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 4:36 PM   It is a wrong message which is being spread about the leave entitlement of state govt employees that they are eligible for pension for their period of emplyment abroad. Those who are on such leave are as good as they are not in service, That period is not counted when calculating pension. Govt need to pay not a single paisa to those individuals in the form of any kind of pay and allowances, for the leave period. There is also an instruction that the public service commision can take that as a generated vacancy and recruite a new employee. Why are all the people in kerala are much worried on there, including the law machinery?!!! I am working as a First grade overseer in kerala PWD in my age of 43 and does any one think that I and my family can survive with the 12000 rupees of pay? I do not want to be corrupt and dont want to go after bribe, and for that reason I am here abroad. What do the people want, come back and live there like a begger having no guts to demand bribe? Saheer --- On Fri, 1and 2/11/10, PRADEEP B PILLAI <pradeepgcc@gmail.com> wrote: From: PRADEEP B PILLAI <pradeepgcc@gmail.com> Subject: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......???? To: "Keralites" <Keralites@YahooGroups.com> Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 10:39 AM   www.keralites.net

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