Tuesday, November 16, 2010

Re: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......????



Dear Saheer,

Well, you just proved yourself for being content and focused to your own circle, your family. Its quite good being like that coz most of the people do otherway.

When it comes to the next level, social commitment you have to come out of your cocoon and realize the situation as a third person.

Hopefully you could see a lot of unemployed, educated, poor soul's around you, who do struggle for their daily life.

And your kind of people denying the chance for another person. Don't say your vacancy will be filled in a week. Even if it a permanent vacancy it will take more than two year to fill boz of REDTAPE

Here you are wasting the our money(government) for the next recruit if so and blocking the chance of getting a permanent employment of other person and all other benefits. Your are not alone and think how will be the mass effect

The next is the if your compensation is not enough for you, its your problem you could easily change the job and grab another. Of course you done that and I appreciate that. Then the question begins why you hang on the previous one ?

It would have been worth in reading your quotes if you had resigned the job.

pls don't say its bcoz of "crab syndrome" rathe . Just see the people, keralites, in the Middle East, I would say more than 90 % are helpful and they do. It's a fact.

If you want to know the actual meaning of THE CRAB SYNDROME

"Anyone familiar with the behavior of a bunch of crabs trapped at the bottom of a bucket will know what happens when one of them tries to climb to the top; instead of attempting the climb themselves, those left at the bottom of the bucket will do all in their collective power to drag the climber back down. And although crab behavior should not in any way be analogous to human behavior, we can think of many instances where it is."


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2010/11/16 Saheer <aasaheer@yahoo.com>

Yes, Mr. Thomas Mathew is now more sensible.

I am not trying to correct you, but can make some comments.

If a person joins the service at a pay of Rs.750 (My pay when I joined Indian Navy in 1985) and retires on pension at Rs.15000, why should his pension benefits be calculated on the basis of 15000? If it is done on the basis of 750, what a huge sum of money which the govt could have earned? That is a great idea, but the country will have to import people from Bangladesh or so to serve our Armed forces. And why should the pension be granted at all, when a soldier has served only for 15 years? Liquor too should be banned in armed forces, because that too is causing some financial burden to the govt. We need not to consider about morale, patriotism etc because thats all the useless terminologies which we old generation people carried in our mind, during our period as soldiers.

And the second comment. As I said above, the pension should be calculated based on his inetial payment and there should be no increase to it in the for of DA, pay commissions etc. If it is increased in that manner, the pension of two individuals who have retired in a gap of decades will get almost same pension. Thats an injustice because I being an old man who have retired a decade back need less pension to survive with Kappa and chammanthi, and the present generation pensionar need more money to afford burger, pizza and all.

--- On Mon, 15/11/10, Thomas Mathew <thomasmathew47@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Thomas Mathew <thomasmathew47@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......????
To: keralites@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 15 November, 2010, 11:09 PM

Dear all

It is a misconception that persons who take long leave from Kerala Govt. service are not getting any pension benefits when they are on leave Pension is to be treated as deferred wages earned by an employee during his service period, paid to him on his retirement when he is no longer in a position to work to earn. That is, the amount of pension depends on the wages earned and the period a person worked in an organisation. Keeping these principle in view, let us examine the benefits being accrued to a person taking long leave from Kerala Government service and joining just before retirement to get the pension benefit.

Take the case of A who has proceeded on leave for 20 years after 12 years of service in the state government. After 20years he comes back and joins his old post and in an year he retires. The benefits he gets are (1) Pension for the 13 years of service in the state taking into consideration the pay he has drawn in the last one year prior to his retirement. Though he may be in the same post, the pay scale might have increased four to five times due to pay revisions. He would have not become entitled to this higher pension, if he has left the job after 13 of service and given pension for that service. So the Government servant gets benefit of pension as if he has worked for 13 years in the higher scale of pay prior to his retirement. (2) Similarly, the person gets increased amount in gratuity based on the last pay drawn for the 13 years of service.

I am not familiar with the KSRs. So any one is welcome to correct me, if I have gone wrong in my assumptions which are based on general principles of employment in civil services. If my assumptions are correct, someone who is familiar with the KSRs is requested to compute the additional burden on the State Government as pensionary benefits to the an employee who proceeds on long leave to take up employment elsewhere.

Thomas Mathew


To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
From: engeekay2003@yahoo.co.in
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:29:33 +0530
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......????

Dear Saheer,

your views are very well appreciated.

But the fact remains that, "such people" when they may not be getting the "pension benefit" during their absence, there is always the guarantee that , they are assured of a job and the pension on retirement, at the cost of blocking some other poor soul's chance for a government job. dont you agree ?

I am not against anything...either this way or that way..but when I saw your comments, could not resist the temptation of putting across my feelings.

gud day to all.

engeekay2003.

--- On Sat, 13/11/10, Saheer <aasaheer@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Saheer <aasaheer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......????
To: "Keralites" <Keralites@YahooGroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 4:36 PM

It is a wrong message which is being spread about the leave entitlement of state govt employees that they are eligible for pension for their period of emplyment abroad. Those who are on such leave are as good as they are not in service, That period is not counted when calculating pension. Govt need to pay not a single paisa to those individuals in the form of any kind of pay and allowances, for the leave period. There is also an instruction that the public service commision can take that as a generated vacancy and recruite a new employee. Why are all the people in kerala are much worried on there, including the law machinery?!!!

I am working as a First grade overseer in kerala PWD in my age of 43 and does any one think that I and my family can survive with the 12000 rupees of pay? I do not want to be corrupt and dont want to go after bribe, and for that reason I am here abroad. What do the people want, come back and live there like a begger having no guts to demand bribe?

Saheer

--- On Fri, 1and 2/11/10, PRADEEP B PILLAI <pradeepgcc@gmail.com> wrote:
From: PRADEEP B PILLAI <pradeepgcc@gmail.com>
Subject: [www.keralites.net] ഇത് അത്യാവശ്യമായിരുന്നു.......????
To: "Keralites" <Keralites@YahooGroups.com>
Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 10:39 AM

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